Posts by William Penwell

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When did you start getting ANGRY?

by Separation of Powers in

when i started the fade....i recognize that i was upset, mainly because of the desillusionment.

but, over the course of the past several months, i am noticing an increasing anger toward all thing org.

it can only be described as indignation, not simply upset.

William Penwell

Second, I am angry at ME for being such a gullible dumbass. The final conclusion has to be that "the buck stops here". I'm at fault for buying it all at face value. Sure, as a born-in I can try to say it's my parents fault, but at some point, somewhere along the line, I have to accept the responsibility.

Like myself who was born into it, we were all conditioned from birth. Yes I had some doubts even at an early age but we were told that we were wrong and to blindly follow this oranization, so it is not all that easy to just walk away. It is admitting that everything we believe in is wrong. It takes years to get over this mind condioning. You are the strong one in your family that said this is wrong regardless of the consequences and left the religion. I think there is many weak ones that just go along with BS because they don't want to rock the boat and stay with the status quo.

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When did you start getting ANGRY?

by Separation of Powers in

when i started the fade....i recognize that i was upset, mainly because of the desillusionment.

but, over the course of the past several months, i am noticing an increasing anger toward all thing org.

it can only be described as indignation, not simply upset.

William Penwell

It happened in various stages. I learned everything in the late 90s and was just a teenager. I would argue and argue with my mom. Eventually I almost ended up in a judicial comittee. Fast forward this many years the only anger I get is how obvious it is that its just a farse but my family gets more convinced it's the truth with each change. I know there is nothing I can say or do which I have come to accept for many years. My parents will grow old and die always convinced the end is so close.

With my family I have learned that nothing you say or do will change their minds. My parents are both now gone but they went peacefully thinking this was the truth and had a hope that they will wake up in that paradise world. Who am I to take that hope away from them. Even though we had a good relationship as my parents learned toward the end of their lives to accept me for who I was.

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When did you start getting ANGRY?

by Separation of Powers in

when i started the fade....i recognize that i was upset, mainly because of the desillusionment.

but, over the course of the past several months, i am noticing an increasing anger toward all thing org.

it can only be described as indignation, not simply upset.

William Penwell

Growing up as a dub, I am not angry at my parents as they did what they thought was the best for me. I am angry at the WT for all the lies and deception over the years that they continue. It is natural to have these feelings, just don't let those feelings distroy you. It is time to move on with your life outside of the organization.

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is the big show on 1914 at Service Meeting evidence of factions in the GB?

by Wasanelder Once in

sometimes the gb do end runs around each other, as when freddie franz didn't agree with the whole governing body concept and spoke against it at the gilead graduation.

could this video/demonstration at the service meeting tonight on why they believe in 1914 and how to explain it to others be an effort to bolster that belief because there is a challange coming against it by factions within?

i guess we can't really tell but i wouldn't put it past the boneheads running the society.

William Penwell

2. Serve as a test run of how video from the organization can be used to supplement the meetings and perhaps reduce dependence on the need for qualified brothers at the local level. Remember that the org is suffering from a need for more qualified men to serve as elders. If meeting parts can be pre-recorded by qualified brothers at headquarters, then that reduces/alleviates the need for qualified brothers to give talks, at the local level.

I noticed a video monitor mounted up on the stage the other day when I was in a Kingdum Hall. Makes sense that more and more they will use a pre recorded video feed from the mother organization thus cutting out the middle men elders and the sheep will get the "spiritual food" direct from the GB. More controls from the GB. Like someone else mentioned on here it reminds me of George Orwell's " Nineteen Eighty-Four ".

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is the big show on 1914 at Service Meeting evidence of factions in the GB?

by Wasanelder Once in

sometimes the gb do end runs around each other, as when freddie franz didn't agree with the whole governing body concept and spoke against it at the gilead graduation.

could this video/demonstration at the service meeting tonight on why they believe in 1914 and how to explain it to others be an effort to bolster that belief because there is a challange coming against it by factions within?

i guess we can't really tell but i wouldn't put it past the boneheads running the society.

William Penwell

If they don't keep pushing the 1914 or end of days message, what else is left? Then what reason do the average rank and file members have to keep going to the meetings and banging on doors? As an adventist religion it is very important to keep setting dates to keep the rank and file in line. Otherwise the religion (cult) will fall apart.

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HELP! Elder bombarded me with scripture...& I don't know what to do.

by Smoky in

i have been lurking on this site for many years.

i rarely post anything, because my english isnt the best and not sure if anyone understands.

i just recently had a run in with an elder, have not seen him in a few years.

William Penwell

anyway, i just thought there was a way thru scripture to argue against.

That reasoning won't work as they have heard it all before and will probably have another scripture or interpretation to counter any arguments you bring up. Best to just say we will agree to disagree and go your separate ways.

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November 1 1960 QFR

by hoser in

jw
friends

questions from readers.

please answer my question in the watchtower.unsigned.. among the many readers of the watchtower who write in for information are some who ask personal questions on which they want a scriptural answer, but who give no name or address.

others give an address but no name.

William Penwell

Current policy is that readers only ask questions that the Excrete Slave has seen fit to discuss already in the litterature.

In other words"don't think or ask questions beyond what we say."

Andthey say they are not a cult.....

I wrote a letter to the society years ago in regards to interpretation well studying their book "Then Is Finished The Mystery Of God" and got the typical convoluted response you get from the WT. I read the response one way and my brother in law interpreted another way, so it didn't really answer my question. Some spirit direct organization.

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HELP! Elder bombarded me with scripture...& I don't know what to do.

by Smoky in

i have been lurking on this site for many years.

i rarely post anything, because my english isnt the best and not sure if anyone understands.

i just recently had a run in with an elder, have not seen him in a few years.

William Penwell

Remember these elders have no authority or power over you unless you give them that.

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Evolution and spirits

by Chris Tann in

as of now iam making an unbiased examination of evolution.

however one thing keeps me hanging on to the belief of a supreme spirit being; the existence of spirits.

i have heard countless accounts of people who have experienced frightening encounters with evil forces.

William Penwell

I remember in my JW youth how we would hear about these horror demonic stories but it was always a friend of a friend. No real proof. Also the mind can play tricks with a fertile imaginations. I am not saying they don't exist but until someone comes forward with scientific proof there is no evidence they exist.

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Bible - War in heaven - Satan cast to earth - Why?

by berrygerry in

reading the oct 1 1953 wt about gog of magog because of the posts about the changes of identity.. basic question:.

why would satan (whether gog or not) be cast to the earth?.

why not cast him to quadrant 4 of the galaxy?.

William Penwell

I certainly HOPE that since this was published in 1953 even modern Witnesses can see the absolute silliness of such idle speculation. In my opinion, there is no 'Satan' nor is there a 'Jehovah', a 'Heaven' or any of that made-up Bible stuff. Most intelligent people today see the value in living life IN THE PRESENT, not in obsessing over Bible stories written thousands of years ago. Whatever is true or not true will be shown in due time, and we can't change the outcome either way, so why worry about it??? In my opinion, when we die it is THE END of us....we are dead and gone, forever. No Paradise Earth. No Heaven. That's all, Folks!! So live your live NOW, and find happiness to the best of your ability. That's my advice.

Agree with you 100%. Don't worry about what has happened in the past or what is to happen in the future but live for the present.